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		<title>Flying a Kite Presbytery Discussion Continued</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Church without Walls]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here i am once again flying a kite as we think a bit more about the reform of Presbyteries. During the past few years it seems to me that there is a mood in the church to be more relational than legal. This leads us to think about structures and functions that are based on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2010/09/IMG_23861.jpg"><img src="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2010/09/IMG_23861-300x225.jpg" alt="" title="IMG_2386" width="300" height="225" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2644" /></a> Here i am once again flying a kite  as we think a bit more about the reform of Presbyteries. During the past few years it seems to me that there is a mood in the church to be more relational than legal. This leads us to think about structures and functions that are based on trust and relationships rather than legal authority. </p>
<p>True worship is surely an act of the heart  in response to love and forgiveness not an act of duty or  even an act of obedience. In so many ways the thinking of Church Without Walls is  inviting the church to make a huge shift, to move from the courtroom to the place of adoration this is the place where we are called to in worship  &#8211;  the place of intimacy. In such a place we need to begin to understand the difference between public worship  and the intimacy of private worship.  I sometimes think that what is happening in many churches is that the intimacy of private devotion is being displayed in public and the solemnity of public weorship is being lost. </p>
<p>A Community of Worshippers </p>
<p>Many of the growing churches  have based themselves around a community that makes worship its priority. They are prepared to change times, structures, and buildings to fit in with the social patterns of the day. These congregations take Ephesians 4 seriously they are committed to equipping all the saints for ministry. They include social justice and welfare care as part of the Christian act of worship and ministry. These are serious churches taking seriously the call to ministry and discipleship.</p>
<p>The Church of Scotland has had its successes in the past in the area of Discipleship. The Summer Mission programme  of  the 60s and 70s  is but one example where the programme developed many people within the church to take on roles of leadership through the experience of mission often with worship at its heart. We have seen some nurture in the past  but it would be true to say that we have not been consistent in making nurture part of our congregational growth.</p>
<p>We need to encourage a model  of Presbytery that allows for nurture  to develop, this is why  the cell group or connect group  is essential in the structure of the congregation.  Nurture is seen as a key ingredient  if we are going to be effective. From the first encounter with a cell group or a small house group the worshippers should feel accepted and part of something that iis helping them grow deeper in their Faith. If we could have opportunities for members to explore different topics as part of a Presbytery study group we could be starting to build the infra sttructure for local theological teaching and reflection.</p>
<p>This might lead in turn  to a person becoming a graduate of the College of Training in Worship and Discipleship which may be  attached to Presbytery</p>
<p>I think there is  something about leading and teaching  that go together. Perhaps it is only right that those who teach the future leaders of the church be themselves practiced in their leadership as they teach and train others. </p>
<p>The model adopted by many of the growing churches is the person leading worship at one of the services on a Sunday will also be teaching the subject at the Church College the next week to students. </p>
<p>If the Church of Scotland adopted a similar model the Presbytery would have its centre open  daily as a place of prayer and reflection and spiritual activity. There are different levels of Christian teaching that could be of great service to local church leaders if courses were made available and taught by the ministers and teachers in the Presbytery.  Some ministers would no longer be called to a congregation but be attached to minister from a Presbytery and be available for the district or region.</p>
<p>Using our resources wisely from a central point may very well be a creative and useful development for the Presbytery. Inspirational leadership is borne out of reflection and prayer. In our busy parish lives, as ministers  we  often are becoming slaves to administration and fearful of failure and dwindling numbers. We perhaps need to regroup our leadership weekly around a centre of prayer and imaginative service.  A new style presbytery would become a centre of renewal for ministers and congregations. </p>
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		<title>A Sunday Church or An Everyday Church?</title>
		<link>http://www.italker.org.uk/2010/06/a-sunday-church-or-an-everyday-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was speaking to a parent of one of our youth leader today. He told me he didn&#8217;t go to church however he was perfectly comfortable coming into St Andrew&#8217;s to work with his son on a joint radio programme. As we spoke he said to me. &#8220;Yeah this place is different its not a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2010/06/IMG_2075.jpg"><img src="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2010/06/IMG_2075-225x300.jpg" alt="" title="IMG_2075" width="225" height="300" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2474" /></a>I was speaking to a parent of one of our youth leader today. He told me he didn&#8217;t go to church however he was perfectly comfortable coming into St  Andrew&#8217;s to work with his son on a joint radio programme. As we spoke he said to me. &#8220;Yeah this place is different  its not a Sunday church this is an everyday church.&#8221;  I was really quite taken  to hear him use that phrase about  St Andrew&#8217;s We truly want to be an everyday church that produces and mentors everyday Christians and disciples. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2010/06/IMG_2077.jpg"><img src="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2010/06/IMG_2077-225x300.jpg" alt="" title="IMG_2077" width="225" height="300" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2475" /></a>Finding ways to connect with people is at the heart of the Gospel and of course the biggest connection of all is when a man or a woman discover the presence of God all around them. The thing is when this happens its &#8220;a God incident&#8221; its not something we can generate it happens in God&#8217;s time. I also think it happens when the Church is practicing what it means to be an everyday church. The truth is the church has to be an everyday church because its all about people living their everyday lives. Too often we still think of church as the building as a set of programmesas an organised identity. Church is not really like that at all. I think its a lot more messy than we&#8217;d like to believe. Jesus in his parables iis continually surprising people who want things to fall into a neat solution. he tells stories and parables that stretch our ideas of fairness and justice. He tells stories that often put the people who ae on the outside of religion    more at the centre of true religion than those who are at the centre of religious organisations. It might even be that some of the organisations and structures and trappings of past religious experience may have to wither on the vine to allow the new branches the new grapes to begin to grow.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m becoming more convinced that God is working where he has always been working in the hearts and lives of individual people drawing them together by his Spirit to fulful his purposes in the world. Those of us who are used to thinking of church being church in a set way, we need to change if we are going to be part of the church of the 21st century.</p>
<p>Look into our building these weeks when the young people are off school and you&#8217;d think it was building site. There are just so many bits and pieces lying around the place. I&#8217;m ever thankful for our long suffering church cleaner who takes is all in her stride. Its also a parable the people and relationships are there to bring glory to God.  the building has to be made to fit round the needs of the people not the people fitting around the building. Now that is our problem. We have an old building no longer fit for an everyday church. So here is the question what does a building being used by an everyday church look like?  Do we need one building, do we need many buildings, do we need to use more technology? What is the 21st century church building to look like?  let me hear your comments</p>
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		<title>2gether Scotland Flowing Oil Leaders Day</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I was at a conference yesterday in Perth. It was hosted by the Evangelical Alliance, in St Mark&#8217;s Church of Scotland. St Mark&#8217;s has just undergone a major rebuild of their church. They knocked down the 1960s building and have put up a building that enables them to connect with their community as the move [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src="http://www.italker.org.uk/wp-content/files/2008/04/copyrighted_image_reuse_prohibited_78020.jpg" alt="copyrighted_image_reuse_prohibited_78020.jpg" />I was at a conference yesterday in Perth. It was hosted by the Evangelical Alliance, in St Mark&#8217;s Church of Scotland. St Mark&#8217;s has just undergone a major rebuild of their church. They knocked down the 1960s building and have put up a building that enables them to connect with their community as the move into the 21st century. I had to go to this conference because the title intrigued me .  (You must bear in mind the impending oil strike could effect the numbers at the CWW National Gathering) , so I  was keen to see if there was a prophetic word for me about the oil still flowing.  The keynote speaker was Krish Kandiah , he explained to us that he wrote his doctorate on the work of the Church of Scotland minister, who eventually became a Bishop in the Church of South India.  Newbigin made an interesting contribution to the Church&#8217;s understanding of  Gospel and Culture.  Krish is an engaging speaker, he was highlighting the need for evangelists to understand their culture and discover relevant relevant models to explain the core gospel. The more I engage with this topic the more I am convinced &#8220;that faith comes through&#8221; I think their is a lot in that phrase &#8220;comes through&#8221; faith is seldom an instant experience i think it is a journey a process, that beings from the cradle and ends &#8230; well does it ever end?  I was sitting next to David Clark the minister of the Steeple Church, as Krish was speaking he was proposing an alternative model to that of the diagram which involves the cross and the bridge. He was proposing the Augustinian idea that man is a restless being and can only find his peace in God. All very interesting. Krish was explaining the fall and then eventually understanding the gospel in terms of creation being restored. I think I&#8217;ve long since moved away from this view, I think that redemption is all part of the whole creation process. I wonder if the Adam and Eve picture in Genesis was ever  meant to be understood as the completed creation . Could it be that it was only the start?  Could it be that God built into his creation process, an understanding of sin, rebellion, and redemption? Could it be that God in creating the world and the kind of people he created, also planned for am incarnation and a resurrection? The first two chapters of Ephesians would lead us to consider this as a real possibility.  For me this kind of thinking is important because it allows me to understand that God&#8217;s providence is at work in every aspect of creation even today. Anyway, a big thanks to Fred  Drummond who organised the day. </p>
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